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	<title>Comments on: Tobago and the P(Fun) All-Stars</title>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
		<link>http://www.hiwiller.com/2010/03/04/tobago-and-the-pfun-all-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-1284</link>
		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an aside, Zack, p(fun) is the exact argument I would make about Red Dead Redemption in contrast to your recent post.

There were countless times that I would catch myself just riding around on my horse, backlit against the sunset and the red rocks in Mexico.  Not Shooting Stuff.  Not Getting Achievements.  Not Earning Money.

Just me and my horse, riding into the sunset.  That is the thing I will always remember about that game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an aside, Zack, p(fun) is the exact argument I would make about Red Dead Redemption in contrast to your recent post.</p>
<p>There were countless times that I would catch myself just riding around on my horse, backlit against the sunset and the red rocks in Mexico.  Not Shooting Stuff.  Not Getting Achievements.  Not Earning Money.</p>
<p>Just me and my horse, riding into the sunset.  That is the thing I will always remember about that game.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree here.  It really just goes back to the saying we&#039;ve heard a thousand times: &quot;It&#039;s not about whether you win or lose, but whether you had fun.&quot;  Of course winning is generally more fun, but I can think of games I don&#039;t like, but win at lot.  And the opposite is true: there are plenty of games I love, but don&#039;t win very often.

Fun should trump strategy every time, because fun is the reason to play the game in the first place.  For some people, the strategy - and only the strategy - is where the fun is.  For others, though, there&#039;s a lot more to it, and that&#039;s easy to overlook.  (And it sounds like that&#039;s what happened at EA, unfortunately.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree here.  It really just goes back to the saying we&#8217;ve heard a thousand times: &#8220;It&#8217;s not about whether you win or lose, but whether you had fun.&#8221;  Of course winning is generally more fun, but I can think of games I don&#8217;t like, but win at lot.  And the opposite is true: there are plenty of games I love, but don&#8217;t win very often.</p>
<p>Fun should trump strategy every time, because fun is the reason to play the game in the first place.  For some people, the strategy &#8211; and only the strategy &#8211; is where the fun is.  For others, though, there&#8217;s a lot more to it, and that&#8217;s easy to overlook.  (And it sounds like that&#8217;s what happened at EA, unfortunately.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hansa Teutonica - Zack Hiwiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hansa Teutonica - Zack Hiwiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been really digging board games lately as some of my last few posts can attest. Just when I&#8217;m getting sick and tired of the same old mechanics day in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been really digging board games lately as some of my last few posts can attest. Just when I&#8217;m getting sick and tired of the same old mechanics day in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Diehr</title>
		<link>http://www.hiwiller.com/2010/03/04/tobago-and-the-pfun-all-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-864</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Diehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The game sounds fun because finding treasure is fun (to me)</description>
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